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20 – Religion in Fiction

Daystar and Alexander discuss the common pitfalls and problems surrounding religious beliefs in fiction, and how to avoid mistakes that can turn off readers, whether religious or not.

Co-hosted by Alexander Wales

With thanks to Tim Yarbrough for the Intro/Outro music, G.A.T.O Must Be Respected

Links

The Stand and IT by Stephen King

Anita Blake series by Laurel K. Hamilton

Left Behind review blog

Unsong by Scott Alexander

Perelandra by C. S. Lewis

American Gods by Neil Gaiman

Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett

Small Gods by Terry Pratchett

Dresden Files by Jim Butcher

His Dark Materials by Phillip Pullman

Timestamps

00:31 Personal Backgrounds

05:52 Religion in Fiction

10:05 Real Religions vs Fictional Religions

13:28 Religious or Atheist Strawmen

23:19 The Role of Faith

27:24 The Problem with an Afterlife

31:13 Do’s and Dont’s

40:49 Examples

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19 – Exposition

Daystar and Alexander discuss exposition: the good, the bad, and the common pitfalls.

Co-hosted by Alexander Wales

With thanks to Tim Yarbrough for the Intro/Outro music, G.A.T.O Must Be Respected

Links

The Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson

Ocean’s Eleven

Cryptonomicon and Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson

Ra by Sam Hughes

The Nightmare Stacks by Charles Stross

Lullaby by Chuck Palahnuik

Quote about narrative flow through sentence structure.

Timestamps

0:45 Exposition vs Narrative

4:38 Bad Exposition

17:00 Exposition as Story Character

18:22 Exposition Timing

24:30 Good Exposition

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18 – Writer’s Block (Guest: Eaglejarl)

Special guest Eaglejarl joins Daystar and Alexander to discuss their experiences of the dreaded writer’s block, including ways to avoid and get through it.

Co-hosted by Alexander Wales

With thanks to Tim Yarbrough for the Intro/Outro music, G.A.T.O Must Be Respected

Links

Two Year Emperor, and other assorted works, by Eaglejarl

Team Anko, Naruto fanfiction by Eaglejarl

Tinker’s Daughter, by Eaglejarl

Marked For Death, by Eaglejarl, Velorien, AugSphere, and Jackercracks

Instruments of Destruction, by AlexanderWales

Novelizing Tabletop Games

Under the Dome and The Stand, by Stephen King

Timestamps

00:52 How does Writer’s Block manifest for you?

9:07 Avoiding Writer’s Block

20:15 Getting out of Writer’s Block

27:20: Everyone dies

17 – Serial Fiction, Part 2

Daystar and Alexander finish discussing serial fiction, namely, chapter length, serial structure, and the need for continuous character growth and new conflicts.

Co-hosted by Alexander Wales

With thanks to Tim Yarbrough for the Intro/Outro music, G.A.T.O Must Be Respected

Links

Worm, by Wildbow

The Dresden Files, by Jim Butcher

Percy Jackson, by  Rick Riordan

Timestamps

00:34 Chapter Length

03:56 Overall Length

6:18 Dangers of Stretching Stories Out

10:06 Serial Structure

12:33 Continuous Character Growth

17:23 Continuous New Conflicts

Transcript of Post-Outro Message

Hey everyone, no book recommendation this week, just a state of the union for the podcast. We’ve enjoyed doing it a lot, and so far the feedback has been pretty great. Over the past month we’ve been consistently getting over 2000 combined downloads and plays per episode, which is awesome, especially since it’s in the ballpark of numbers where advertisers start to pay attention.

Now, ideally I’d like to keep the podcast as ad-free as possible. That’s why we decided to only put the Audible ads after the outro music and pair them with a relevant book recommendation. Unfortunately, over the past few months since we started advertising, we haven’t had a single referral with them yet.

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16 – Serial Fiction, Part 1

Daystar and Alexander discuss serial fiction’s history, pros and cons, and how to navigate scheduling.

Co-hosted by Alexander Wales

With thanks to Tim Yarbrough for the Intro/Outro music, G.A.T.O Must Be Respected

Links

We’re Alive

The Green Mile, by Stephen King

John Dies at the End, by David Wong

 The Martian, by Andy Weird

Timestamps

0:45 Features and History

10:30 Pros

15:31 Cons

18:14 Transitioning to Publishing

21:00 Scheduling

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15 – Multiverse

Daystar and Alexander explore the different types of Multiverse stories, and how to make them compelling and rational.

Co-hosted by Alexander Wales

With thanks to Tim Yarbrough for the Intro/Outro music, G.A.T.O Must Be Respected

Links

Sliders

The Merchant Princes, by Charles Stross

Two Year Emperor, by Eaglejarl

The One

Fringe

Rick and Morty

The Dark Tower by Stephen King

Demon by Jason Shiga

The Last Action Hero

Timestamps

0:40 Why we enjoy multiverses

5:54 Types of multiverse stories

10:58 Realism of multiverse stories

16:16 Multiverse and Fanfiction

19:53 Bound vs Unbound Multiverses

34:22 Writing Multiverse Stories well

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13 – Prophecies

Daystar and Alexander discuss some of the major problems with prophecies in stories, and ways to potentially avoid the major pitfalls.

Co-hosted by Alexander Wales

With thanks to Tim Yarbrough for the Intro/Outro music, G.A.T.O Must Be Respected

Links

Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind

Game of Thrones series by George R. R. Martin

Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss

The Bad Seed

The Good Son

Daystar’s rant about prophecies

Article on One Problem, One Solution

Timestamps:

1:22 Prophecy as a way of Spoiling Tension

5:56 Creating Conflict

10:35 Developing Characters

11:45 Prophecy Tension

16:45 Predictable Attempts to avoid Prophecy

19:00 Shallow Intrigue

22:10 How to make prophecy work

30:55 Tricking Prophecies

37:03 Conditional Prophecies

39:20 Prophecy in the Real World

47:23 Being Clever in Subversion

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I Hate Prophecies (and So Should You!)

Ladies and gentlemen, I contest that there is no form of artificial plot advancement, no unnecessary McGuffin so odious and unimaginative as “The Prophecy.” Further, I assert that almost every single story that has a prophecy or any kind of “precognition” in it could remain exactly the same, or be improved, by the clean removal of them.

For as things stand, a prophecy acts as little more than a crutch for the author to bridge meaningful character decisions with artificial fluff, hollow and transparently contrived.

You, sir! Yes, you! Need a reason to make your uninteresting protagonist The Hero? Try a PROPHECY that forces them into the center of all existence!

Young madam! Do you need motivation for someone in your story to do something they normally wouldn’t do? Have YOU tried PROPHECY today? Guaranteed to utterly circumvent any sense of organic agency your characters might have!

Hey, how about those pesky worries that your characters or plot aren’t engaging enough? Not to worry, friend, we’ve all been there, and with just a little bit of PROPHECY thrown in, your readers will be HOOKED!

And that’s not all! PROPHECY comes in many DISTINCT FLAVORS!

The Vague Prophecy: Excellent for keeping your audience guessing as they try to decipher your cryptic, terrible poetry! This way you can either fulfill it or not, and still make it seem mystically wise in retrospect!

Example: “The White Queen will see red, when by dark hearts she’s led.” Is it her dark heart? Someone else she trusts? What does see red mean? Who knows?! Does the prophecy even matter? Not really!

The Self-Fulfilling Prophecy: Want to write an utterly predictable story no one can relate to? Just dress it up with some “deep” existential questions about free will that ultimately have no impact or moral wisdom beyond the scope of the by-the-numbers plot!

Example: “The Dark Lord will be defeated by the child of two farmers.” But how!? Simple! Upon hearing the prophecy, they will attempt to undermine it, and somehow be hoist by their own petard! Everyone loves a Deus ex Prophecy!

The Incomplete Prophecy: Want to keep some artificial tension? Make your prophecy completely understandable and straightforward so that it ensures a lot of angst over a foretold tragic event, but have it leave out vital bits of information that renders it utterly meaningless!

Example: “You will kill your father.” But they end up dying from a painful disease or wound, and ask for a mercy killing! Hooray!

The Spoiler Prophecy: One of the favorites, who doesn’t love a good SPOILER right in the middle of the story? Now we know what you’re thinking, aren’t all prophecies spoilers in some regard? Not as much as this one, which serves NO PURPOSE other than to inform the readers, while keeping the characters ignorant! The trick is to make sure the prophecies have NOTHING to do with the character who hears/sees it, and they can’t ALTER the outcome in any way! So not only is it utterly meaningless except to break the fourth wall, you don’t even have to change anything in your story to fit it in! It’s like it means nothing at all! nothingatall! nothingatall!

Example: A bunch of dead people at a feast, their leader with a wolf for a head! What could it mean?! Nothing to the person seeing it, but ho ho, what a shocker it’ll be for the readers once they get far enough in the story and come back to it! You clever writer you, dropping such discrete hints of the future plans you alone know and control!

That’s right, with the power of PROPHECY, you too can elevate your subpar, generic fantasy and science-fiction into the over-used-tropesphere!

(Note: Any apparent reference to specific stories is almost completely coincidental, and not a remark on the overall quality of that story, prophecy notwithstanding. On top of which, fanfiction works are somewhat exempt from this criticism, as they usually have a source material that includes prophecies to abide by.)

11 – Story Structure, Part 1

Alexander and Daystar explore the different ways of planning out and structuring stories, and give examples of their strengths and weaknesses.

Co-hosted by Alexander Wales

With thanks to Tim Yarbrough for the Intro/Outro music, G.A.T.O Must Be Respected

Links

IT, by Stephen King

Memento

The Magicians, by Lev Grossman

Timestamps

00:37 Story Circles

12:40 TV show structures

20:54 Chapter by chapter planning

24:01 Alternative story structures

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